Crossticks and rimshot ?

[Sylv1co]

Yes, I'm with you! This would be another nice feature to make MD more powerful and productive.
Please remember: All much expensive TD-XX drum brains can't do it! I mean fully velocity range on each physical rim hoop as rimshot and crossstick articulation! Of course also not the third rim only articulation with full velocity range!

Thanks

Trommeltotti

Hi,
I reply just to eliminate a false idea about Roland TD module. On TD-12 and TD-20, there's a feature that allows you to get rim click and rim shot on all the toms. This feature works very well, you really need to hit head and rim simultenaously to get the rimshot sound, if you hit anly the rim you get a rim click sound. It works grace to positionnal sensing on rim (in fact I think the module read the pitch of the head piezo when rim piezo signal is higher than head piezo signal).
On snare, it is (stupidly) different. You can use this feature but there's no rim click sound, you can only get a cross stick sound by hitting only the rim. But if you use your TD-12 to trigger a vst, you can use the crosstick note to trigger the "rim only" sound of S2. The problem is still the cross stick. I really think the best way to go is a separate cross stick trigger device. This is what I use now and I got a electronic snare with 4 real articulations : head (with pos sensing), rim click (rim only sound), rim shot (by hitting simultaenaously head and rim) and cross stick (using an external trigger device).

I don't wanna make any advertising for Roland gear, and if I still follow what's going on this forum it's because I really like what happens here, but there was some false idea on what Roland could achieve. I can also add that the new TD-30 has got a rim click sound on the snare (but yes the module only cost 2000€).

[dmitri]

I really think the best way to go is a separate cross stick trigger device.

Maybe Sylv1co is right and using separate trigger devices for additional articulations is a better approach than using modifying switches?
The advantage of a "separate trigger device" is that it works as is without firmware modifications.
The advantage of a "modifying switch" is that with one switch you can use additional articulations with any number of inputs rather the just with one input.

[Sylv1co]

The advantage of a "separate trigger device" is that it works as is without firmware modifications.

And without pressing any switch. I don't really like the idea to press a switch to get the cross stick. If the goal is to use the same technique as on an acoustic snare, pressing a switch is not the best since it forces you to change your playing technic.

[Sylv1co]

And if you're able to add a switch on your external cross stick device, you can achieve this using S2 + cubase :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojXcOWung-0

Muted sounds are not really usefull I know, but that was funny, so I've made it... I don't use a switch anymore on my cross stick (hard to get a reliable one).

[pidostick94]

No ! The footswitch is only to have brushes sounds on all pads

The cross sticks works with velocity on the hoop as;
Low velocity on hoop --> cross sticks
Medium velocity on hoop --> rim only
Hard velocity on hoopshead --> rimshot

[Sylv1co]

No ! The footswitch is only to have brushes sounds on all pads

The cross sticks works with velocity on the hoop as;
Low velocity on hoop --> cross sticks
Medium velocity on hoop --> rim only
Hard velocity on hoopshead --> rimshot

So you don't get full velocity on cross stick and rim only.
With this functiunning, what happen with low or medium velocity on rim and head simultenaously, why not get a rim shot in this case ?
Another advantage of an external cros stick device is to be able to play the cross stick with the hand laid on the drum head, like on a real snare.

[pidostick94]

Allright !

Do u have pictures of your hardware cross stick method i'm very interrested to play crossstick and rimshot without velocity range !

Best regards

[Sylv1co]

This is mine, but not the easiest to make (note that I've made a new one where the 20mm piezo is mounted directly under the hitting area) :

http://images.imagehotel.net/?2inyqeraoo.jpg
http://images.imagehotel.net/?1p5w6m3zcz.jpg
http://images.imagehotel.net/?ni4pw4av89.jpg
http://images.imagehotel.net/?fi386qvedh.jpg

Far cheaper, this one is sold 20$ by crappy trigger

http://images.imagehotel.net/?oxc5i62xlx.jpg

[pidostick94]

Nice job !

I try to find another thing and i report to you

Now waiting for footswitch (sticks/brushes) firmware update by Dmitri !!

Best regards

[pidostick94]

Look at this !

Why not ?
Easy to selfmake !

I'm going to cut a old hoop and fix a small piezzo trigger (from an ol ddrum trigger)
and fix it on my hoop with silent blocks to isolate vibrations !

see the link below

http://www.rimriserusa.com/