Roland CY12,14 and 15 users, what Megadrum settings?

[elrules]

3) simultaneous hits on the head and the rim will produce both head and rim shots. If midi sampling software is smart enough

That is not true because samplers are not that smart. Software samplers have a different midi note for rimshot and crosstick. It is your "responsibility" to provide them with correct note values. Even conecting a Roland module to a sampler is not an easy task when you want to get all the 3 sounds. As I said, you need an external "bridge" software.

What is more, sending at the same time a head note and a rim note would be an erroneous behavior for common drum samplers. That is the reason dmitri, that some time ago I proposed you an update for the megadrum firmware, consisting of sending a different note if megadrum detects similar values on head trigger and rim trigger (on a piezo/piezo pad). Maybe now that you provide some 3rd zone parameters you can use that "bNote" for that behavior in piezo/piezo pads. Disabling it will be then as simple as asigning the same midi note to rim and to bNote, taking special attention to the signals normally received when wacking the head of the pad (what triggered incorrectly the rim, I suppose you remember that issue I had that was resolved)

[dmitri]

This will only work if the head and the rim are hit almost exactly at same time, i.e. within a few milliseconds. Are drummers usually that precise?

[elrules]

If you hit with the stick the head and the rim (as in the image of the roland manual) it will sure be at the same same time, as you are putting down the entire stick. What would be very difficult and odd is hitting that way and not hitting at the same time

[dmitri]

It still seems to me that even if you think that you hit the rim and the head simultaneously there still will some separation between hits time wise.
Anyway, I will think about it, but this topic doesn't belong this thread.

[mightygorgon]

I have a cy15 that Im trying to get running. What I understood up to this point is that when I hit the ride, the Aux1R and Aux2R thresholds determine if Bell (Aux1R) or Bow (Aux2R) is hit. Otherwise a bow note (Aux1H) is played. After trying a few configurations, I could finally get the aftertouch messages, looks like they occur when Aux2R threshold is lowered enough. However with the configurations I have tried, I m always getting either Aux1H note or Aux2R note whereever I hit on the ride. I think I can use some help on following topics:
1. Do Aux1H and Aux2H thresholds play any role on seperation?
2. If I don't connect the Bow/Edge jack, should I be getting bow and bell notes based on Aux2R threshold? I could use this to test and find Aux1R threshold.
3. Do the Aux1R and Aux2R thresholds have any priority between each other?
3. I disabled the Aux2H note which looks useless in this configuration, is this of any value?

Kind of puzzled
Best Regards...

Suppose you will use Aux1 and Aux2 for connecting a 3 zone Roland cymbal.

1. Connect a Bow/Bell jack to Aux1 input.
2. Connect an Edge jack to Aux2 input.
3. Set Aux1H->DualHead to 3way
4. Set Aux1R->Type to Switch
5. Set Aux2R->Type to Switch
6. Adjust Threshold for Aux1R and Aux2R somewhere between 10 and 50 (depends on MUX ICs used). When pressing/releasing an edge
you should see in MIDI-OX aftourtouch On/Off messages for all three zones.

[dmitri]

I have a cy15 that Im trying to get running. What I understood up to this point is that when I hit the ride, the Aux1R and Aux2R thresholds determine if Bell (Aux1R) or Bow (Aux2R) is hit. Otherwise a bow note (Aux1H) is played. After trying a few configurations, I could finally get the aftertouch messages, looks like they occur when Aux2R threshold is lowered enough. However with the configurations I have tried, I m always getting either Aux1H note or Aux2R note whereever I hit on the ride. I think I can use some help on following topics:
1. Do Aux1H and Aux2H thresholds play any role on seperation?

No. But it does effect false triggering. If you set Aux1H Threshold too low you may have problems getting false Bow triggering when hitting Edge or switch due to "after hit" vibration.

2. If I don't connect the Bow/Edge jack, should I be getting bow and bell notes based on Aux2R threshold? I could use this to test and find Aux1R threshold.

You won't be able to test Bell hits but you should be able to get Aftertouch messages when pressing the Bell switch.

3. Do the Aux1R and Aux2R thresholds have any priority between each other?

The Bell switch (Aux2R) has higher priority so if both the Edge and the Bell switch are hit at the same time, MegaDrum will only detect the Bell hit. Thresholds don't effect priority, they determine at which level each switch is detected as hit/pressed.

3. I disabled the Aux2H note which looks useless in this configuration, is this of any value?

Aux2H in your example is ignored anyway for 3-way Roland type cymbals.

[mightygorgon]

Thank you for the replies. I got the bow and edge to trigger right however I cant get a bell sound unless I give the bell a good whack. And I found the answer on vdrums.com forums. CY12 and CY15 apparently have an issue with bell triggering. I am not sure if I want to apply the suggested mod to a brand new cymbal though

[dmitri]

I've read about the bell problem with Roland cymbals. There is now way around it, it just a switch - on/off. On Yamaha cymbals the bell seems to work fine provided you hit the right area.

[Ken Forgettable]

This will only work if the head and the rim are hit almost exactly at same time, i.e. within a few milliseconds. Are drummers usually that precise?

A rim shot occurs when the rim is hit a fraction before or the head i.e. within a few milliseconds - only neanderthals hit the head before the rim.