New products at NAMM 2011

[Ramsh]

Some infos about a new hybrid acoustic/trigger head

http://alternatemode.com/forum/index.php?topic=2694.0

first pic I found
http://www.percussionpartners.com/story ... -namm-2011

I hope that Trick will show their ekit triggers at NAMM.

Maybe there will be a day where I can trigger the drums without too much muffling.

[Ramsh]

New kick trigger by Trick drums

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx? ... =1&#108261

[Bean]

New low-volume set of acoustic Cymbal's (with electric pickup’s) by Zildjian...

Zildjian linK: http://zildjian.com/News-Events/2011/1/Gen16-AE-Cymbals


Some links from NAMM 2011:

Short video (2.5 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AanSqbF69TA
Long Video (14 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_LKuoP6ydQ
Tom Brechtlein on Gen-16 AE Cymbals at WNAMM 2011 (2 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg7NgJhSiPA
Zildjian Sneak Peek from Gen16 group: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqZpQfp9Ux0&NR=1

I like this! It's not a trigger, it's a real cymbal!

- Bean

[dschrammie]

I can appreciate the idea of having "innovative" products, but the inHead drum heads and the Zildjian Gen16 cymbals seem to miss the mark to me, at least on the grand scale of most electronic drumming users. Yes, we all want that elusive "real acoustic drum head feel" that we just don't get from rubber or mesh pads. But the point of using edrums for most of us is to not have the acoustic sound - we're looking for our pads to feel great and be as silent as possible. So having a regular drum head that triggers does absolutely no good for me. I understand that there's a muffling pad available, but that will certainly take away from the real feel. Years back when I played on an acoustic set I was forced to put muffling pads on all of my drums - while it does reduce the acoustic noise significantly, it still is pretty loud. And the action/rebound is not natural at all. So who knows...maybe this is just an opening to where the technology can go. But for now the inHead isn't on my wish list.

The same kind of goes for the Zildjian Gen16 cymbals. I think that it's great to be forward thinking, and perhaps this is another case of opening up other possibilities than what has been typical. However, from what I understand, the acoustic noise is still louder than a typical cymbal pad. The other thing that I'd be curious about is how the perforations affect the feel of playing the cymbals - I'd imagine that it probably takes some getting used to.

[Bean]

I agree with you dschrammie. Nothing compares to a genuine quality acoustic drum set; many of us seek the edrums alternative because a "silent as possible" is the only way some of us are permitted to access some drum play.

the point of using edrums for most of us is to not have the acoustic sound - we're looking for our pads to feel great and be as silent as possible.

I see "innovative" ideas all over the internet that have surprised me because the performance was better than expected without the cost of disturbing the neighbors, waking the baby, or irritating the spouse. New ideas bring new opportunities. Although the possibilities remain a mystery until someone gets hands on experience using some of the new products and sharers objective way to use such new products.

Example,

I have been making a set with shells that are 2 inches deep and it has Evans Hydraulic Blue Heads on one side and Pearl Mesh Heads on the other side. This gives me 3 possibilities for play.

1) If I hit the Mesh Head it resonates the Evans Head and gives me tone during play that cant be heard in the other room. I now have a practice set that doesn’t involve the use of electronics and doesn’t sound like I’m hitting just a screen. This is where I’m excited about the Zildjian Gen16 cymbals, that product would fit me perfectly for my arrangement if it works as promised.

2) Now if I turn on my computer and load Superior Drummer VIA Toontrack Solo my set becomes a full edrum setup with numerous sound possibilities.

3) Flip over all pads to the Evans Hydraulic Heads side and now I have a genuine acoustic drum set that I can play on when the spouse is outside.

My original idea was to have a set of Mylar cymbals and acoustic cymbals that I would alternate between as needed. I probably wont be able to try these new Gen16 cymbals in a music store until April, and if they do the job then I need to save the money as I don’t have that kind of cash in pocket.

-Bean

[Ramsh]

Inhead is actually for acoustic drummmer which needed to use some kind of trigger, like me. I need to muffle the drums a lot to get some accurate triggering because a trigger responses to vibration, so if there's no muffling you get more vibration.
The inhead is an acoustic drum head with a fsr grid over the whole head, fsr triggers response to pressure. More pressure higher velocity and it will be fully position sensitive.