Future of this project, suggestions and general discussion

[ignotus]

I was able to download it from both links, maybe you have a browser problem or something.

I'll see if I can post something this week with my snare. I don't think you necessarily need to play as good as that bloke to assess the performance of the pads and module as long as what you play is what you get; if you play a crap roll and the module outputs the exact same crap roll, I think we can safely assume that if you play a smooth one, it would also reproduce that, so that should be enough to know whether your setup is working correctly. My playing is pretty lacking, to say the least, but what I'll do is record some stuff on the snare with the VST sound, and then show the same video again with just the pad's sound, so you can decide how close the triggering is to what is actually played.

[airflamesred]

I was able to download it from both links, maybe you have a browser problem or something.

Maybe, I just swapped back to Firefox - not a big fan. Though the file did say 0kb.

But yes, If it is reproducing your playing then what more can you ask for.

[airflamesred]

wierd

[ignotus]

Yeah, I get that too, but I can still download it (chrome).

[privatex]

I dont know what is happening, must be my 'friends' on my shoulders. Well ignotus with perfect roll on my snare it is not as on real surface no matter what bounce it have. Dinamics are bad so rolls never come out right. If I take just snare drum and do some rolls they out little better then when I play whole kit, so I belive that you can arrange good sounding audio.
Whole kit is loose and unplayable in this moment as I said and I need 'whole kit solution'.

[airflamesred]

Got it via IE. I think VST in general are less forgiving

[privatex]

That is true but playing this edrum that I have it is like constant struggling with pads and all parametres. When I play constant roll on snare pad it is everything but non constant, sometimes I hit near to center on off beat and it give me a light stroke... I think that it is not only a VST, module and pad quality for shure.
''as long as what you play is what you get; if you play a crap roll and the module outputs the exact same crap roll''
My module never gave me that equations, there's always-ALWAYS some deviations. How can you play perfect roll with all that problems? Turn off power and play on mesh.
The reason why I started discussion was/is getting that accurate triggering like roland has. I played on some roland's machines and I love the feel which they give me. It's so easy to play those kits. However this story has no end as we elaborated, all I can do is attempt to make it better. You get what you pay for.

[ignotus]

Dinamics are bad so rolls never come out right. If I take just snare drum and do some rolls they out little better then when I play whole kit, so I belive that you can arrange good sounding audio.

Yes, I see what you mean, but still, getting the whole kit to perform well as a whole requires getting each individual pad right. All I want to do by recording just the snare is show that it is in fact possible to get adequate performance with a MD module - your original complaint was that you reckoned the inadequate performance was because MD wasn't processing the signal inputs as well as a Roland module. Maybe if you plugged your snare as-is into a Roland module it would perform better; I don't know, but it certainly is possible to get it to trigger perfectly by fine-tuning settings and the construction of the pads. I'm pretty sure that if you plug in a Roland mesh pad into a MD module you could get perfect triggering without much hassle - DIY can be a very complicated beast... I have a similar problem to yours: when played as a whole, the kit sounds a bit "off" (or "loose", yes), particularly because of messed up hi hat and ride dynamics, but given that I have been able to properly set up the snare, I know that the fault lies in the pad construction. Which is why I've re-done the ride (still needs some fine-tuning but is way better than the previous one I had) and am in the process of re-doing the hi hat, and eventually the crashes. The bottom line is: DIY-ing your entire kit introduces so many variables -as opposed to buying commercial pads, which will mostly fall within a narrow range of parameters- that getting everything to work properly together can be a very painstaking process. I have an acoustic kit in a rehearsal room close to home; it's where I go to get some proper practice. I approach the construction of my e-kit as a hobby in itself - I have a small kid and very little time during the day so home practice isn't really feasible until she's a bit older- so I'm taking it veeery easy and doing it in small bursts, I'm in no hurry. If I were serious about getting some practice at home and didn't want too much faffing about, I would just buy pads.

[privatex]

I catch you, it is a similar story here 2. Enjoying in this process is huge but there's always some frustration. I think that no matter what pads you buy your kit will be always 'loose' in this or that amount. That problem was huge for roland too in the past. I have acoustic set too but it's not in function now(drumroom prob...) and e-set gives me trouble these days.
I can feel the potential of MD device and its huge, but as you said DIY pads are big problem here if you expect great results.

[privatex]

I tuned MD a little bit more and got this result:
http://www.filedropper.com/morningafter-revisit_1
I definitely feel the potential of module. Snare Accents are better reproduced (problem on first take was in ,hot spot-rim interval, + hi hat hi level and some other parametres).