Anybody have experience using Roland PD8 type pads?

[lrizzo2001]

So what is the problem with the pad with these settings?

These settings produce no sound at all, not head or rim, the only way I get sound is to change the Head to 3way roland leaving rim/edge on switch, but they are reversed in the manager, so changes to rim/edge are effecting head, and vice versa. Also note, they are only reversed when using these roland PD-6, PD-9 pads, if I connect a DIY pad with roland type cone setup I get head/rim and the settings in manager effect the correct part of the drum, so I know the jacks in MD are wired correctly. Plus I purchased a built kit so I know it turned out right!

[dmitri]

So what is the problem with the pad with these settings?

These settings produce no sound at all, not head or rim, the only way I get sound is to change the Head to 3way roland leaving rim/edge on switch, but they are reversed in the manager, so changes to rim/edge are effecting head, and vice versa. Also note, they are only reversed when using these roland PD-6, PD-9 pads, if I connect a DIY pad with roland type cone setup I get head/rim and the settings in manager effect the correct part of the drum, so I know the jacks in MD are wired correctly. Plus I purchased a built kit so I know it turned out right!

With these settings you configured each zone (head and edge) as separate trigger/pad. And the edge zone as a separate trigger/pad will not function properly if its Type is set as 'Switch'.
Your pads is a dual zone piezo/switch pad, right? Also, you set notes on the Edge to 0. Is it intended note for the edge sound? Please set the head as 'Dual or 3way Yamaha'. Make a couple of hits on the head and on the edge. Take a screenshot of settings along with MIDI Log so I can see what is you mean by 'reversed in the manager, so changes to rim/edge are effecting head, and vice versa'. Note, that if Threshold on the edge is not adjusted properly, you may get edge notes instead of head notes when hitting the head, this is why I ask you to post screenshots of settings along with MIDI Log.

[lrizzo2001]

First hit was head, 2nd hit was rim

[ignotus]

These settings produce no sound at all, not head or rim, the only way I get sound is to change the Head to 3way roland

But according to your last post, you are getting the head to respond with it set as Dual. What you have to do now is find the right threshold setting for the rim. Are you doing that randomly? Starting with threshold at 0 and gain at 4 (rim), raise threshold 1 by 1 while squeezing or hitting the edge of the pad until you get a signal from it.

[dmitri]

Threshold on the edge is set too low.

This is what the MegaDrum Documentation says about Threshold on Switch type inputs ( https://www.megadrum.info/content/pads-settings ):

For switch Rim/Edge inputs: Input switch threshold. Sets below which level the switch is detected as hit/pressed. Note that on the switch Rim/Edge inputs actual velocity is determined by signal from a piezo on a Head/Bow input. The best way to set a correct threshold on a switch input is to use MIDI-OX to monitor 'aftertouch' MIDI messages. With a proper threshold value you should see 2 or 3 (dual zone or 3way/3 zone pad) 'aftertouch' on' MIDI messages when you press the switch and 2 or 3 'aftertouch off' MIDI messages when you release the switch.

MDMFX has built-in MIDI Log so you don't need to use MIDI-OX.

Please do as ignotus suggested.

[lrizzo2001]

for whatever reason, I was unable to replicate that issue, I was also unable to replicate the issue where changes to the note on rim/edge settings was changing the note on head strikes and changes to head note settings was changing the note to Rim strikes. I'll try what you suggested and try again. I know last night for the first time I started seeing midi info when I would squeeze the rim, I never tried that before, so I'll play with that tonight.

Dumb question, If I choose to simply let my TD-7 module handle all my roland pads and use MD for my diy is there a way for me to use Midi to have them all go through to my MD's usb to the MacBook > Superior Drummer 2? I'm assuming MD would ignore any hit that wasn't to a pad that was physically connected to it
Would I go midi out from MD to TD7? or vice versa?

It might be easier for me than trying to find the perfect settings for these roland rubber pads which I intend on replacing at some point anyway.

These settings produce no sound at all, not head or rim, the only way I get sound is to change the Head to 3way roland

But according to your last post, you are getting the head to respond with it set as Dual. What you have to do now is find the right threshold setting for the rim. Are you doing that randomly? Starting with threshold at 0 and gain at 4 (rim), raise threshold 1 by 1 while squeezing or hitting the edge of the pad until you get a signal from it.

[ignotus]

You can connect the TD-7 to Megadrum's MIDI in and use the "MIDI through" function - it will just pass on the MIDI information it receives. However, before you do that, I'd have another go at setting up the Roland pads with MD. I think the main problem is a lack of understanding of how the parameters work to set the pads up - once you get the hang of it the rest will be easy and you'll have learned a bit more about the module that will come in handy for the future.

[lrizzo2001]

Agreed, I just have to learn about what every parameter actually does. And much of the documentation is showing examples on the older version of the editing tool.

You can connect the TD-7 to Megadrum's MIDI in and use the "MIDI through" function - it will just pass on the MIDI information it receives. However, before you do that, I'd have another go at setting up the Roland pads with MD. I think the main problem is a lack of understanding of how the parameters work to set the pads up - once you get the hang of it the rest will be easy and you'll have learned a bit more about the module that will come in handy for the future.

[dmitri]

Agreed, I just have to learn about what every parameter actually does. And much of the documentation is showing examples on the older version of the editing tool.

The MegaDrum Documentation at https://www.megadrum.info/content/megad ... figuration is for MegaDrum settings in the module itself without references to "editing tools". Where did you see references to "editing tools" there and to the "older version of the editing tool" in particular? Please let me know and I will correct it.

[lrizzo2001]

So the MD has parameters that aren't listed in DrumManagerFX? I have yet to even go into any menus on the MD's front panel. I guess that would be a good place to start lol.

By Older Version of editing tool, I mean that when I search the forum for settings in DrumManager as used by other users, they are always using the older version of DrumManager and the parameters don't match what I have in DrumManagerFX.
I've been reading the pad setup post and most of it makes sense, some doesn't, but I did see parameters that seem to effect why my single stroke rolls are choppy and missing hits.
I'm just surprised I can't find anybodys posting of their successful Roland pd-8 pad settings. I found 2 that tried, one of which was the first screenshot I attached which had the 0 midi note for the rim/edge, then I tried another for the PD-8 with resistor, no different. I've tried swapping out the stereo cables connecting to the pads to rule out any cable issues etc. no change.

Agreed, I just have to learn about what every parameter actually does. And much of the documentation is showing examples on the older version of the editing tool.

The MegaDrum Documentation at https://www.megadrum.info/content/megad ... figuration is for MegaDrum settings in the module itself without references to "editing tools". Where did you see references to "editing tools" there and to the "older version of the editing tool" in particular? Please let me know and I will correct it.